Just because a man asks you to have sex with him, doesn’t mean he is a misogynist.
Just because a man tells you you are a bitch/cunt/etc. doesn’t mean he is a misogynist
Just because a man disagrees with what you say, doesn’t mean he is a misogynist.
Just because a man says that there are times…
If a man calls a woman a “cunt” or a “bitch,” that DOES make him a misogynist. ”Cunt” and “bitch” are derogatory terms said to women to keep them in their place. Yes you could retaliate by calling a man a cunt or a bitch, but then the words take on a completely different meaning. A man who is called a “bitch” is seen as less than other men because of the feminine connotation of the word. It’s actually pretty interesting when you think about it… a female “bitch” is too assertive and outspoken, while a male “bitch” is too submissive. Ah the rigidity of the gender binary.
I digress. OP, misandry is not real, so please fuck off.
I have actually never really seen the logic behind the “feminize a man and he is worth less” argument that you “feminists” are so incredibly fond of.
While I agree that if you look in movies, there are stronger boys calling weaker men “their bitches”, but why do you as a woman (I am assuming you are one) take offence to one man being another ones “bitch”?
You must try and figure out that one on your own, but I digress with your “misandry isn’t real” argument. Sure thing, you may not outright hate men, but the right dictionary for both misandry and misogyny are more or less the same:
Misandry: Hatred of men
Misogyny: Hatred of women
These two here do not have to be cultural, international or or even national to exist. Women have been the subjective part of society for as long as we can remember, but does that really mean that men have always hated women, that women have been the most hated gender throughout the history of ever? Are you saying that during the old times there was never ever a single husband who loved his wife and saw her more that just a object?
Whoa. Way to put words in my mouth. Never have I said that all men are evil, or that they aren’t good people, or that they “hate” women. This isn’t about whether or not men “like” me, I could give a flying fuck about that.
I take offense to a man calling another man his “bitch” because “bitch” has a feminine connotation. Thus the subtext is that people who are feminine (i.e. women) are bad and weak. And this message is implicit in every facet of our lives - in the media, in the workplace, in politics, etc.
Quote the dictionary definition of misandry all you want. Misandry isn’t real because if women discriminate against men, it has no real bearing on men’s lives. Sure, maybe it hurts their feelings. But generally, men laugh it off and call the women in question a feminazi. On the other hand, if a man says something discriminatory towards women - “girls are so catty” etc. - so many people, men and women alike, will agree with him. Misogyny is widespread and common, whereas misandry is not.
But more importantly, the worst thing that misandry can do is hurt a man’s feelings. Misogyny, on the other hand, is historically responsible for the wage gap, for widespread sexual violence and abuse against women, and for women who spend their entire lives hating their bodies or other aspects of themselves because since childhood they have received the message that even if they are smart, funny, and accomplished, it means jack shit to anyone unless they also fit into society’s traditional notion of beauty. Misandry isn’t real because men are in power. Misogyny is real because women are (and have always been) marginalized. End of story.
The only feminine that is about the word “bitch” is that it is a female dog. If you bring forth the argument that it dehumanizes women, then use it all you like.
It can wary from man to man how he will react. Some men will, as you said, laugh it off and call you a feminazi and, as you said, some people will agree with him. But I personally think that it is good when people call out on someone and tell them that what they said is off colour or offensive and they will not tolerate it. And then there are those men who will actually believe you and they will treat themselves as misogynistic scum. Have you ever considered that men can have insecurities too? Has the thought that at least one man has looked on the internet or a magazine and seen a man who has big muscles and a stunning six-pack and then this man has lost some of his self esteem and begun to hate his own body, ever occurred to you?
And if you really think about about it, men have always done all the work. It was their job to do well in school, get a proper job and bring money and food home to the wife whose only job was to take care of the house and take care of the children. If a woman could not make food or properly keep the house, it was the man’s fault.
I know it may sound like I am glorifying men now, but it is not men as a whole how have always had control.
If you look at history, you’ll find that it was always the “rich have power and the poor don’t”, rather than “men have power and women don’t”.
Yeah the problem with that last point is that in most cultures for most of history, men were in control of money and property, while women’s only way to money and property was through marriage. And anyway, this is not an ‘either or issue.’ Rich, white men always have and continue to be in power because of their race, gender and class.
Also, I’d like to address this statement you’ve made:
"wife whose only job was to take care of the house and take care of the children.”
Have you ever been responsible for children or the brunt of the housework? I spent a year in AmeriCorps helping to run a household where 7 teenage girls lived. I did things like cook dinner for 10 people, drive the girls to and from school and soccer and volleyball practice, sat with them while they did their homework, washed dishes, checked chores, swept floors, cleaned countertops, did yardwork, and enforced discipline and diffused fights between the girls. And that’s not even half the shit the other houseparents had to do to keep the house running. At the end of each day I was exhausted, and no one really appreciated anything I’d done, just like I never appreciated how hard my mom worked when I was younger. It’s not that women have never worked hard, it’s that no one sees the work women do as valuable. Partly this is because ‘if a woman can do it anyone can,’ and partly it’s capitalism - in a capitalistic society everything comes down to money, so work that doesn’t pay is considered worthless.
In any case, many women do work outside the home now. And guess what? The majority of them still do most of the housework, even if they are the breadwinner of the house. Think about your family and your friends’ families. How many of their dads take primary responsibility for cooking and cleaning the house? Even if they do help out a lot, their wives or female partners tell them what to do and how and when to do it, right? That doesn’t mean the men are purposefully or consciously being unhelpful… it’s just the way it is. Because patriarchy.
Finally, I would like to re-state that never once have I said that all men are bad or ignorant or whatever else. I don’t care whether or not men ‘believe’ that patriarchal white supremacy exists… IT DOES, regardless of how ‘enlightened’ men are.